Thank you for reading. It was quite a read. I don't wish to push despair nor false hope. I just wish people believe what they believe for the right reasons.
You make some really excellent and intelligent points here; too many for a brief or glib response. To start with:
1) the things you define as belonging to "the baby" actually grow out of "the bathwater." For ethics to survive unrooted in any faith, for centuries... can't think of anything other than Confucianism, the exception that proves the rule.
2) What about the 5 proofs of the existence of God (Aquinas, Knox, to begin with), what are your arguments against those?
1) I make the argument that the baby was already there before the bathwater. Inevitably, the bathwater became part of the baby. But we were too hasty to throw away the bathwater, and we threw the baby with it.
2) A proof of god is by no way a proof of a specific religion. I never claim there is no god. I claim there is no valid religion. All religions are false - they are just unfalsifiable hearsay. Yes, it is likely that there is a "god" or something beyond our reality. I've written about this: https://sotiris.substack.com/p/my-religion
I've got plenty of drafts in my top drawer about ethics/morality. I mention them sporadically in my essays. I don't believe they come from a deity that refuses to communicate with us, or to make morality clear and universal for us.
Excellent thanks for the historical deep dive, i concur,was raised in the chains of Catholicism as a youngster. Everyone i know is a weak kneed bible thumper except my kids who are solid. Guess thats why ive been a lone wolf my entire life. Thx again
Thanks for reading. I try not to bash on either religion or atheism, but rather, try to focus on what matters: identity, and the things that grant us identity.
TL:DR (Sorry) But I got what I think is the gist from what I skimmed. I would recommend reading some Ken Wilber books on consciousness and levels thereof. Within a number of Ken's books there is some overlap with one of your central points - that is, (The 'West') needing to retain the good and that which works ('Truth', partial as it maybe) and disposing of that which is 'Bad' and no longer works (Religion / Christianity - and apologies for the use of the tiresome 'Good / Bad' dualism). So 'Spectrum of Consciousness' and 'Integral Spirituality' - those would be a couple of good ones to start with.
Interesting connection between lack of christian values and the drug addictions, suicides and what not.
Also how without these values are vulnerable.
The CIA and the demonic gay gangsta rap is a real thing.
I think Jesus' teachings of compassion, humility, defiance, peace, etc are the baby. But I also think there is a mystical component to all this.
If you like the simulation theory look up Gnosticism and simulation theory, aalso look up chridtian mysticism and Jewish mysticism and how they relate to the CIA's remote viewing activities
Thank you for this (fwiw). This was very good for me to read as it articulates nicely plenty of what I have been thinking over the past 15 years or so. Like you, I was a vocal and avowed atheist -- life-long, in fact -- but today I recognize that I am also “areligious” although in some ways “christian-adjacent”. I usually simply say I am no longer an atheist. As soon as you say that, though, the listener (reader) assumes or infers something about you and that inference is ‘whatever it is that *they* think you mean’ not necessarily what *you* mean when you say ‘not an atheist’. Does that make sense? (It’s like when you say the word “god” the listener only thinks of what he or she thinks that word means. Unfortunately, we don’t have a word that can possibly encapsulate everything that is supposed to be meant by the concept of “god”, so it’s really a default term. And then you must go on to explain yourself, if allowed.)
I started changing my views when I began studying something closer to what we today think of as metaphysics, at least as presented by, we are told, greek philosophy. Eventually, I came to understand why Ken Wheeler says that “religion is secularized metaphysics”. Anyway, that is a whole ‘nuther discussion.
Have you encountered the work of Walter Russell? His revelations and writings offer a unique picture of “reality” and present a rather complete understanding of the (proper) union of metaphysics and physics. Basically, we’ve got it all wrong. Lol. (Which will come as no surprise, I am sure). Russell’s genius is best elucidated (for me so far, at least) in “The Secret of Light”, which is his final work; a kind of encapsulation of all that he wrote in the previous 70 years. (His drawings of, well, only the geometry of light/reality are mind-blowing and worthy of contemplation, too.) The point of bringing up Russell into this conversation is that his approach offers what I see as a ‘way out’ of the endless cycle of religious, statist, and especially, satanist (you forgot that one) systems of slavery under whose yokes we have been labouring for the past who knows how long.
Anyway, I shall be reading much more of your missives, for sure.
Thank you for your comment. Indeed, it's a trap of false dichotomy to say "you're not an atheist" as it is misconstrued as "I'm religious." It doesn't have to. I'll check your recommendations (Ken Wheeler and Walter Russel). Thank you.
Appreciate your reply. I can offer a kind of précis on Ken Wheeler if you become interested. He is a youTuber and has written a number of books and papers available on archive.org. The main things to watch are his videos on the geometry of magnetism (i.e., reality) as seen through a ferro-cell. (He has done literally thousands of videos over the years; I’ve watched hundreds).
There, I just saved you many hours, but I can ‘splain a bit more about Ken Wheeler if you like. With Russell, on the other hand, I would definitely start with “The Secret of Light”. Ken speaks of him often. In a nutshell, if we want to begin to figure out what is what, we have to eschew everything from the early 20th century nut-jobs who threw out the aether with the bathwater (Einstein, Heisenberg, et al.) and invented Quantum™ physics. Everything got stupider from then on to the apogee of said stupidity seen today just by, for example, looking out our window and seeing giant windmills and solar panels in the landscape. Anyway.... excelsior!
I identify with some of your evolution. I had a period of militant atheism as well when I was young. Going as far as wanting “in god we trust” removed from money. The irony this was before I knew it was fiat currency and not money but I digress. Raised in a progressive liberal household it took years to shed that programming. I agree that the progressives religion is that of government/statism
Aaron Abke Donald Hoffman . Two people to help you process your Pauline delusion of Cristos and understand Yeshua’s red letters not Paul’s narcissistic ravings .He was insane and professed hus own Gnostic beliefs over James and the 12 Apostles.In short we have a religion built on the ravings of a psychopathic lunatic .
Nothing makes sense if you are holding a set of mental constructs that will not budge from your paradigms me included . I am sorry I haven’t fleshed out both these men’s principles and narratives . Just providing a pointer to those curious to follow this path of Hoffman’s and Abke’s
If you do not name the Jew, your message isn't true.
At least in terms of the cultural driving force in literally every formerly white christian nations.
Stunner you get the death of whites and christianity from the worlds foremore prolific criminal genocidal ethno-religious-crime-syndicate: the Ashkenazi who's adopted religion prescribes both crimes.
They literally talk in shul about getting Ishmael to mop up Edom (the west)
Fighting Islam is stupid they didn't successfully invade they were invited in.
Judeo-Bolsheviks side with non-whites; right wing Jews use whiteface to stir ire against the problems they intentionally caused.
I don’t fall into the “name the Jew” emotional blackmail. It’s a very eastern-Jewish manipulation tactic. Consider this: it is not only Jews that are behind the curtain. It is not every single Jew that is behind the curtain. So this “Jew” figure sounds to me like a scapegoat - yet another Jewish thing. Don’t fall into eastern mindfucks.
Christianity is not Judaism repackaged. That’s the first problem; Israelites we’re not Jews; todays Jews do not descend of Israel. Christians don’t know why they are Christian because Christ, the Son of The Father made them that way. Christianity as it has been known was the process by which that happened but not the Truth.
I outgrew Christianity when I realized I could be moral without the threat of hellish sadistic punishment. And deep down, I think we all understand this. We don't need religion. The only morality that counts is the one that is sourced from inside.
That’s a nice idea but not true. Mankind is not capable of reconciling the problems that arise as a result of his own corrupt nature. This is is the delusion of the New Age that we can save the world with our love- lol. Catholicism is not Christianity it is Catholicism; to a Catholic Catholicism comes before Christ The Truth. That you have thrown out the bath water of religion is great but don’t throw out the baby.
You are demonstrably wrong. Catholic Christianity is a Christian denomination emerging out of the first schism. You are gaslighting, knowingly or unknowingly.
No gaslighting. It is a denomination but in Christ there are none. Denominations of religions presided over by men that seek and exert power through the manipulation and use of Christ is not true Christianity but man-made religion.
Anything is possible. People take vaccines, pharmaceuticals, implants, radio therapy, and undergo surgical operations. Isn't that already transhumanist?
True but I don't think any of those are transcendental, psychedelics imo are probably the most transhumanist thing that exists today despite being temporary.
Sort of but it fades pretty quickly, probably better for inspiring lifestyle changes than anything else, like getting you out of a counterproductive rut you've become stuck in and doing new things.
An excellent, excellent article! The tragedy in my soul is that I wish to believe but for some reason I simply cannot!
Thank you for reading. It was quite a read. I don't wish to push despair nor false hope. I just wish people believe what they believe for the right reasons.
You make some really excellent and intelligent points here; too many for a brief or glib response. To start with:
1) the things you define as belonging to "the baby" actually grow out of "the bathwater." For ethics to survive unrooted in any faith, for centuries... can't think of anything other than Confucianism, the exception that proves the rule.
2) What about the 5 proofs of the existence of God (Aquinas, Knox, to begin with), what are your arguments against those?
Thanks. I'll try to a:ddress your comment:
1) I make the argument that the baby was already there before the bathwater. Inevitably, the bathwater became part of the baby. But we were too hasty to throw away the bathwater, and we threw the baby with it.
2) A proof of god is by no way a proof of a specific religion. I never claim there is no god. I claim there is no valid religion. All religions are false - they are just unfalsifiable hearsay. Yes, it is likely that there is a "god" or something beyond our reality. I've written about this: https://sotiris.substack.com/p/my-religion
https://sotiris.substack.com/p/the-case-for-the-simulation-theory
2) Ah ok, I will check out your essays before replying.
1) So the primacy of ethics? Let me take a look at your essays first in any case.
I've got plenty of drafts in my top drawer about ethics/morality. I mention them sporadically in my essays. I don't believe they come from a deity that refuses to communicate with us, or to make morality clear and universal for us.
Excellent thanks for the historical deep dive, i concur,was raised in the chains of Catholicism as a youngster. Everyone i know is a weak kneed bible thumper except my kids who are solid. Guess thats why ive been a lone wolf my entire life. Thx again
Thanks for reading. I try not to bash on either religion or atheism, but rather, try to focus on what matters: identity, and the things that grant us identity.
TL:DR (Sorry) But I got what I think is the gist from what I skimmed. I would recommend reading some Ken Wilber books on consciousness and levels thereof. Within a number of Ken's books there is some overlap with one of your central points - that is, (The 'West') needing to retain the good and that which works ('Truth', partial as it maybe) and disposing of that which is 'Bad' and no longer works (Religion / Christianity - and apologies for the use of the tiresome 'Good / Bad' dualism). So 'Spectrum of Consciousness' and 'Integral Spirituality' - those would be a couple of good ones to start with.
This sounds insightful and quite in sync with what I write here. Thank you for the recommendation
Good article, a bit too long and repetitive at times, but you delivered the points.
Thank you. Repetition to stress points from different viewpoints.
Interesting connection between lack of christian values and the drug addictions, suicides and what not.
Also how without these values are vulnerable.
The CIA and the demonic gay gangsta rap is a real thing.
I think Jesus' teachings of compassion, humility, defiance, peace, etc are the baby. But I also think there is a mystical component to all this.
If you like the simulation theory look up Gnosticism and simulation theory, aalso look up chridtian mysticism and Jewish mysticism and how they relate to the CIA's remote viewing activities
Thank you for this (fwiw). This was very good for me to read as it articulates nicely plenty of what I have been thinking over the past 15 years or so. Like you, I was a vocal and avowed atheist -- life-long, in fact -- but today I recognize that I am also “areligious” although in some ways “christian-adjacent”. I usually simply say I am no longer an atheist. As soon as you say that, though, the listener (reader) assumes or infers something about you and that inference is ‘whatever it is that *they* think you mean’ not necessarily what *you* mean when you say ‘not an atheist’. Does that make sense? (It’s like when you say the word “god” the listener only thinks of what he or she thinks that word means. Unfortunately, we don’t have a word that can possibly encapsulate everything that is supposed to be meant by the concept of “god”, so it’s really a default term. And then you must go on to explain yourself, if allowed.)
I started changing my views when I began studying something closer to what we today think of as metaphysics, at least as presented by, we are told, greek philosophy. Eventually, I came to understand why Ken Wheeler says that “religion is secularized metaphysics”. Anyway, that is a whole ‘nuther discussion.
Have you encountered the work of Walter Russell? His revelations and writings offer a unique picture of “reality” and present a rather complete understanding of the (proper) union of metaphysics and physics. Basically, we’ve got it all wrong. Lol. (Which will come as no surprise, I am sure). Russell’s genius is best elucidated (for me so far, at least) in “The Secret of Light”, which is his final work; a kind of encapsulation of all that he wrote in the previous 70 years. (His drawings of, well, only the geometry of light/reality are mind-blowing and worthy of contemplation, too.) The point of bringing up Russell into this conversation is that his approach offers what I see as a ‘way out’ of the endless cycle of religious, statist, and especially, satanist (you forgot that one) systems of slavery under whose yokes we have been labouring for the past who knows how long.
Anyway, I shall be reading much more of your missives, for sure.
Thank you for your comment. Indeed, it's a trap of false dichotomy to say "you're not an atheist" as it is misconstrued as "I'm religious." It doesn't have to. I'll check your recommendations (Ken Wheeler and Walter Russel). Thank you.
Appreciate your reply. I can offer a kind of précis on Ken Wheeler if you become interested. He is a youTuber and has written a number of books and papers available on archive.org. The main things to watch are his videos on the geometry of magnetism (i.e., reality) as seen through a ferro-cell. (He has done literally thousands of videos over the years; I’ve watched hundreds).
There, I just saved you many hours, but I can ‘splain a bit more about Ken Wheeler if you like. With Russell, on the other hand, I would definitely start with “The Secret of Light”. Ken speaks of him often. In a nutshell, if we want to begin to figure out what is what, we have to eschew everything from the early 20th century nut-jobs who threw out the aether with the bathwater (Einstein, Heisenberg, et al.) and invented Quantum™ physics. Everything got stupider from then on to the apogee of said stupidity seen today just by, for example, looking out our window and seeing giant windmills and solar panels in the landscape. Anyway.... excelsior!
I identify with some of your evolution. I had a period of militant atheism as well when I was young. Going as far as wanting “in god we trust” removed from money. The irony this was before I knew it was fiat currency and not money but I digress. Raised in a progressive liberal household it took years to shed that programming. I agree that the progressives religion is that of government/statism
Unfortunately, it seems that people need to believe is some kind of superior deity, be it a god or a government.
"The West was held down by Christianity. Christianity brought us the dark ages due to its Easter influences..."
Not true.
Who knows where Europe would have been without the needless religious infighting, the schism, and anti-masculinity of Eastern religiosity?
Aaron Abke Donald Hoffman . Two people to help you process your Pauline delusion of Cristos and understand Yeshua’s red letters not Paul’s narcissistic ravings .He was insane and professed hus own Gnostic beliefs over James and the 12 Apostles.In short we have a religion built on the ravings of a psychopathic lunatic .
This makes absolutely no sense.
Nothing makes sense if you are holding a set of mental constructs that will not budge from your paradigms me included . I am sorry I haven’t fleshed out both these men’s principles and narratives . Just providing a pointer to those curious to follow this path of Hoffman’s and Abke’s
Interesting thoughts about totalitarian state worship and Marxism.
What exactly was the issue with the self-government of the early French Revolution?
Why should one concede that the living conditions of those in the mountains never differ from those of the plains?
If you do not name the Jew, your message isn't true.
At least in terms of the cultural driving force in literally every formerly white christian nations.
Stunner you get the death of whites and christianity from the worlds foremore prolific criminal genocidal ethno-religious-crime-syndicate: the Ashkenazi who's adopted religion prescribes both crimes.
They literally talk in shul about getting Ishmael to mop up Edom (the west)
Fighting Islam is stupid they didn't successfully invade they were invited in.
Judeo-Bolsheviks side with non-whites; right wing Jews use whiteface to stir ire against the problems they intentionally caused.
The Arabs didn't cause this.
It's the Jews.
Othwise really very well done
I don’t fall into the “name the Jew” emotional blackmail. It’s a very eastern-Jewish manipulation tactic. Consider this: it is not only Jews that are behind the curtain. It is not every single Jew that is behind the curtain. So this “Jew” figure sounds to me like a scapegoat - yet another Jewish thing. Don’t fall into eastern mindfucks.
Christianity is not Judaism repackaged. That’s the first problem; Israelites we’re not Jews; todays Jews do not descend of Israel. Christians don’t know why they are Christian because Christ, the Son of The Father made them that way. Christianity as it has been known was the process by which that happened but not the Truth.
holybibletruthseekers.com
“Israelites we’re not Jews; todays Jews do not descend of Israel.” This sounds like gaslighting
Notwithstanding how it sounds, it is true. The gaslighting has been echoing around us for years: ‘the Jews are God’s chosen people!’
https://holybibletruthseekers.com/2020/08/29/all-the-jews-fit-to-print-part-1-the-salary-men-of-fake-jews/
https://isthefathercallingyoutohisson.wordpress.com/were-abraham-isaac-and-jacob-jews-part-1-the-beginning/
I outgrew Christianity when I realized I could be moral without the threat of hellish sadistic punishment. And deep down, I think we all understand this. We don't need religion. The only morality that counts is the one that is sourced from inside.
💥BOOM💥
As a “recovered Catholic”, I approve of this message!
I know God exists, and I love God. There is no religion involved (man made). I go to Nature, and within.
Agreed
That’s a nice idea but not true. Mankind is not capable of reconciling the problems that arise as a result of his own corrupt nature. This is is the delusion of the New Age that we can save the world with our love- lol. Catholicism is not Christianity it is Catholicism; to a Catholic Catholicism comes before Christ The Truth. That you have thrown out the bath water of religion is great but don’t throw out the baby.
“Catholicism is not Christianity.”
You are demonstrably wrong. Catholic Christianity is a Christian denomination emerging out of the first schism. You are gaslighting, knowingly or unknowingly.
No gaslighting. It is a denomination but in Christ there are none. Denominations of religions presided over by men that seek and exert power through the manipulation and use of Christ is not true Christianity but man-made religion.
Do you think transhumanism is a potential secular alternative to religion?
Anything is possible. People take vaccines, pharmaceuticals, implants, radio therapy, and undergo surgical operations. Isn't that already transhumanist?
True but I don't think any of those are transcendental, psychedelics imo are probably the most transhumanist thing that exists today despite being temporary.
Yes, you are right. Have you had experience with psychedelics?
Yeah, quite a bit.
Would you say there was anything meaningful in the experiences from psychedelics?
Sort of but it fades pretty quickly, probably better for inspiring lifestyle changes than anything else, like getting you out of a counterproductive rut you've become stuck in and doing new things.
Thank you for reading. I appreciate you.