Don’t know how I missed this one when you dropped it but great read as always! One of the most thought out theories I’ve read for stateless justice system.
Thank you. It’s important to note that vigilantism as a last retort/resort is extremely important. Government ends up protecting criminals more than law-abiding citizens
A guy tried to rob 2 ladies after they closed the shop.
The local boys beat him into grape jelly, ripped his rigging off. Took photos of him naked and published them on SM platforms with his personal information. They then called the cops.
I came across a heavy equipment contractor friend. Solid guy. He stated a guy we know, new to the area ripped him off for $3800 USD.
I said wow how will you recover this money?
He said I paid a punk to steal his truck. I scrapped it and the debt is paid. FAFO.
I had some assholes trying to trigger me. I shot 2 warning rounds as I ran down my driveway at the SUV. Reported this to the cops and they said get out the heavy artillery and call us when it is over. We will clean up the mess.
My son's jaw dropped and he said you just got the green light Dad. I said man it's getting to the point we have to get heavy handed. They can't help us son. We are on our own now.
Please understand the police arrest a criminal and he is back on the street in less than 8 hours. They are fed up. All the paperwork is for nothing. They actually published a SM video the other day asking for justice. Said they are embarrassed and and losing faith in the system.
That fine blue line gets crossed every day in the 3rd world. A Sicario charges $40-$200 to fix debts and disputes. A bag of groceries. No BS. The government outlawed passengers on Motorcycles in fact.
The 1% clubs and Narcos run right tight ships.
Pecking orders are well established. No one crosses these boundaries. There is street respect, rules and disrespect is deadly.
I have been watching lawlessness in play for years. It's a very strange fishbowl I have been looking at, as I crush some cold beers after work on the town corner cantina.
At the rate things are going this will be on your doorstep.
I am not exaggerating. If anything I'm holding back on what I really see weekly in the lawlessness world I now live in.
Thanks for this comment. And then state apologists will give us the predictable ad hoc fallacy "It would have been even worse without government." Utter nonsense
Thanks Sotiris Rex, glad too that you like my 'interesting perspective' - I don't find many that agree with it or see it the way I do. A handful not many - but you certainly do regards Trump.
How can you prevent people from ganging up on others under anarchy? It is only about who has the biggest and stronger gang to subjugate others. We can see that in drug cartels already in South America. Tribal uncivilized life is what you are inspired by.
When there is a state, there is only ONE arbitrator of force in society and we have to keep it controlled with checks and balances, under anarchy the number is UNLIMITED! This is where the anarchists' childish arguments fall apart.
All your questions are answered in the article. I suggest you read it again. If humans gat get together to institute a state, they can get together to form free-market solutions instead, if only they know how. You mention drug cartels: drug cartels operate under governments. How is government protecting you from them? If anything, government empowers them through prohibition of plants.
Under capitalism, there will be no prohibition. They can raise their plants and sell whatever they want as long as they don’t commit fraud and are honest. The public health system also would not be forced to deal with the influx because it’d be fully privatized…The argument is that there can only be one institute that can practice force so we can have justice and that should be government otherwise it would be survival of the strongest!
And if a tribe gets very big and sees its interests at some point perversely in violating others' property rights? They don't have a constitution to respect like a government or separation of powers to make it less likely to rot. We should hope to 'god' that we can form our tribe and gang back on them otherwise we have to submit and give in!
It is respected to the point that there is still relative freedom and justice in society and here in the west we don't worry about gang violence because the government DOES actually protect its citizens' individual rights. This is not perfect and it never will be because humans make mistakes but we can aspire to improve it with the right ideas instead of dismantling everything with no rational alternative.
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt assuming you're giving me the benefit of the doubt. Do you know any economic history or at least the history of how insurance companies emerged? Free-market competition enforces contracts. You dishonour a contract and everyone (your customers, partners, suppliers, etc) will know. Let me ask you this: in under-the-table corrupt dealings involving corrupt government officials, who enforces those contracts? If anything, corrupt government proves how government is truly not needed for anything.
Thinking about how insurance companies would execute some of the important functions of the state (functions that it does execute but badly) is always fascinating to me. One aspect that was very new to me is recognizing virtue-signaling from mega-corporations as a market mechanism that would be very helpful in a truly free market.
Let me assist in your cause. Surety bonds are in place currently in NYS, and tied directly to article 13 section 1 oath of office. Interestingly enough as Livingston county sheriffs circumvent “their” laws I made a $500 million claim against indemnity of these thugs. A layered onion of rot, money laundering, and “I’m just doing my job” resulted in claim denied by Donna Maycomber senior analyst at Zurich of North America. Now I must source United States vs. Rahimi. This clown world is getting spicy, stay tuned ;-)
1. You admit that it’s “supposed to” in contrary to actually being in practice. So, you’re wrong from the start.
2. Your religiosity in the state is laughable and childish. Not an argument at all, especially from the people who insist that all humans are inherently evil.
3. There must always be the last resort of mob justice to make sure that the systems in place remain functional. This is what protests, sit-ins, strikes and revolts are. Your opinion is wrong.
Last thing: I have explained in detail how justice is served through incentive, not threat (authority). You still claim that “justice” requires arbitrary perceive authority without providing counterarguments to my arguments of the contrary. So you have either not read my essay or you don’t really understand English.
Protests =/= Mob justice. Mob justice is rioting. Mob justice is fear.
Last thing: What if I don't want the incentive? The whole fricking system breaks down if the criminal chooses to defy the system.
Bad men can run governments. Governments are human institutions and prone to corruption. America has survived 250 years and still going pretty strong. That's impressive.
I was referring to faith in the government. Humans are not inherently evil, but we MAKE CHOICES. we can choose to be evil or good. Many are evil, many are good. Governments and society need to protect against the actions of evil men.
Also, an opinion cannot be wrong. It's an opinion--by definition it is subjective.
Final thing: Read the some books worth reading, not all this conspiracy theory stuff. You get nowhere.
You obviously did not read the context in which I used mob justice in my essay. So you’re dishing out straw man after straw man. Plus you assume that the state is orderly and that justice is always served. You sound like an academic parasite suckling on the state’s teat worshiping government for providing him at the expense of others.
Yes, understandable concern. However, this concern applies the same, if not more, to government as it is. Government does not protect you from foreign invaders. If anything, it provokes them, since others do the deciding and others do the dying. Also, only government makes war profitable. So your concern applies more to government.
You personally are not responsible for all the world’s ills. We collective are responsible for them. This means we have the power to correct them. If we didn’t, then we wouldn’t be responsible.
Hello and thank you for your kind words. I am happy this piece resonated with you, even though sometimes it feels like preaching to the choir when only the choir seems to want to get it. We have no choice but to keep speaking our message even if only against the wind.
Don’t know how I missed this one when you dropped it but great read as always! One of the most thought out theories I’ve read for stateless justice system.
Thank you. It’s important to note that vigilantism as a last retort/resort is extremely important. Government ends up protecting criminals more than law-abiding citizens
the poLICE protect criminal from the public, not, the public from criminals.
Few people have read enough history to know thats how law enforcement started. Citizen were plenty efficient at taking care of it them selves.
Yes. What's worse is not the things they are unaware of, but the decades of propaganda they carry
Good write up Rex.
This week I came across a few examples.
A guy tried to rob 2 ladies after they closed the shop.
The local boys beat him into grape jelly, ripped his rigging off. Took photos of him naked and published them on SM platforms with his personal information. They then called the cops.
I came across a heavy equipment contractor friend. Solid guy. He stated a guy we know, new to the area ripped him off for $3800 USD.
I said wow how will you recover this money?
He said I paid a punk to steal his truck. I scrapped it and the debt is paid. FAFO.
I had some assholes trying to trigger me. I shot 2 warning rounds as I ran down my driveway at the SUV. Reported this to the cops and they said get out the heavy artillery and call us when it is over. We will clean up the mess.
My son's jaw dropped and he said you just got the green light Dad. I said man it's getting to the point we have to get heavy handed. They can't help us son. We are on our own now.
Please understand the police arrest a criminal and he is back on the street in less than 8 hours. They are fed up. All the paperwork is for nothing. They actually published a SM video the other day asking for justice. Said they are embarrassed and and losing faith in the system.
That fine blue line gets crossed every day in the 3rd world. A Sicario charges $40-$200 to fix debts and disputes. A bag of groceries. No BS. The government outlawed passengers on Motorcycles in fact.
The 1% clubs and Narcos run right tight ships.
Pecking orders are well established. No one crosses these boundaries. There is street respect, rules and disrespect is deadly.
I have been watching lawlessness in play for years. It's a very strange fishbowl I have been looking at, as I crush some cold beers after work on the town corner cantina.
At the rate things are going this will be on your doorstep.
I am not exaggerating. If anything I'm holding back on what I really see weekly in the lawlessness world I now live in.
Thanks for this comment. And then state apologists will give us the predictable ad hoc fallacy "It would have been even worse without government." Utter nonsense
Hi Sotiris Rex,
This is a really great, thoughtful essay.
Thanks for that.
Ivan
I’m glad you liked it, Ivan. I’ll follow your work. You seem to maintain an interesting perspective.
Thanks Sotiris Rex, glad too that you like my 'interesting perspective' - I don't find many that agree with it or see it the way I do. A handful not many - but you certainly do regards Trump.
How can you prevent people from ganging up on others under anarchy? It is only about who has the biggest and stronger gang to subjugate others. We can see that in drug cartels already in South America. Tribal uncivilized life is what you are inspired by.
When there is a state, there is only ONE arbitrator of force in society and we have to keep it controlled with checks and balances, under anarchy the number is UNLIMITED! This is where the anarchists' childish arguments fall apart.
All your questions are answered in the article. I suggest you read it again. If humans gat get together to institute a state, they can get together to form free-market solutions instead, if only they know how. You mention drug cartels: drug cartels operate under governments. How is government protecting you from them? If anything, government empowers them through prohibition of plants.
Under capitalism, there will be no prohibition. They can raise their plants and sell whatever they want as long as they don’t commit fraud and are honest. The public health system also would not be forced to deal with the influx because it’d be fully privatized…The argument is that there can only be one institute that can practice force so we can have justice and that should be government otherwise it would be survival of the strongest!
This entire article makes a case that you don’t need any institution to force anything. The only force comes from incentive and self-interest
And if a tribe gets very big and sees its interests at some point perversely in violating others' property rights? They don't have a constitution to respect like a government or separation of powers to make it less likely to rot. We should hope to 'god' that we can form our tribe and gang back on them otherwise we have to submit and give in!
How exactly is your constitution respected in any way by your government? Any way at all?
It is respected to the point that there is still relative freedom and justice in society and here in the west we don't worry about gang violence because the government DOES actually protect its citizens' individual rights. This is not perfect and it never will be because humans make mistakes but we can aspire to improve it with the right ideas instead of dismantling everything with no rational alternative.
Ok, so how do you enforce your contract with your insurance company?
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt assuming you're giving me the benefit of the doubt. Do you know any economic history or at least the history of how insurance companies emerged? Free-market competition enforces contracts. You dishonour a contract and everyone (your customers, partners, suppliers, etc) will know. Let me ask you this: in under-the-table corrupt dealings involving corrupt government officials, who enforces those contracts? If anything, corrupt government proves how government is truly not needed for anything.
Thinking about how insurance companies would execute some of the important functions of the state (functions that it does execute but badly) is always fascinating to me. One aspect that was very new to me is recognizing virtue-signaling from mega-corporations as a market mechanism that would be very helpful in a truly free market.
This shows how self-interests works in a win-win. Problems arise when authority distorts the playing field between negotiating parties.
It really is interesting how self-interests align in so many issues if there is no outside coercive force involved.
Yes. Self-interest is key because incentive is more predictable than threat.
Let me assist in your cause. Surety bonds are in place currently in NYS, and tied directly to article 13 section 1 oath of office. Interestingly enough as Livingston county sheriffs circumvent “their” laws I made a $500 million claim against indemnity of these thugs. A layered onion of rot, money laundering, and “I’m just doing my job” resulted in claim denied by Donna Maycomber senior analyst at Zurich of North America. Now I must source United States vs. Rahimi. This clown world is getting spicy, stay tuned ;-)
A couple thingsthings.
1. America is supposed to have a decentralized self-governed government. "for the people, by the people".
2. I think you assume government cannot be good. It can. Have faith.
3. Mob Justice is a laughable idea. Trusting the mob is actually a joke. It has never worked and never will. Mobs get nothing done.
Last thing: The nature of Justice requires authority.
1. You admit that it’s “supposed to” in contrary to actually being in practice. So, you’re wrong from the start.
2. Your religiosity in the state is laughable and childish. Not an argument at all, especially from the people who insist that all humans are inherently evil.
3. There must always be the last resort of mob justice to make sure that the systems in place remain functional. This is what protests, sit-ins, strikes and revolts are. Your opinion is wrong.
Last thing: I have explained in detail how justice is served through incentive, not threat (authority). You still claim that “justice” requires arbitrary perceive authority without providing counterarguments to my arguments of the contrary. So you have either not read my essay or you don’t really understand English.
Protests =/= Mob justice. Mob justice is rioting. Mob justice is fear.
Last thing: What if I don't want the incentive? The whole fricking system breaks down if the criminal chooses to defy the system.
Bad men can run governments. Governments are human institutions and prone to corruption. America has survived 250 years and still going pretty strong. That's impressive.
I was referring to faith in the government. Humans are not inherently evil, but we MAKE CHOICES. we can choose to be evil or good. Many are evil, many are good. Governments and society need to protect against the actions of evil men.
Also, an opinion cannot be wrong. It's an opinion--by definition it is subjective.
Final thing: Read the some books worth reading, not all this conspiracy theory stuff. You get nowhere.
You obviously did not read the context in which I used mob justice in my essay. So you’re dishing out straw man after straw man. Plus you assume that the state is orderly and that justice is always served. You sound like an academic parasite suckling on the state’s teat worshiping government for providing him at the expense of others.
Yes, understandable concern. However, this concern applies the same, if not more, to government as it is. Government does not protect you from foreign invaders. If anything, it provokes them, since others do the deciding and others do the dying. Also, only government makes war profitable. So your concern applies more to government.
You personally are not responsible for all the world’s ills. We collective are responsible for them. This means we have the power to correct them. If we didn’t, then we wouldn’t be responsible.
We don't owe anything to anyone. We owe to ourselves.
Hello and thank you for your kind words. I am happy this piece resonated with you, even though sometimes it feels like preaching to the choir when only the choir seems to want to get it. We have no choice but to keep speaking our message even if only against the wind.