Don’t know how I missed this one when you dropped it but great read as always! One of the most thought out theories I’ve read for stateless justice system.
Thank you. It’s important to note that vigilantism as a last retort/resort is extremely important. Government ends up protecting criminals more than law-abiding citizens
Impressive concept, it’s simply a risk management strategy where we eliminate the middleman (government) as insurer of last resort for a polity. My concern is a matter of independent aggregated military forces from outside an independent polity imposing their will by greater force, where it appears it’s just another example of Mafia rule.
Yes, understandable concern. However, this concern applies the same, if not more, to government as it is. Government does not protect you from foreign invaders. If anything, it provokes them, since others do the deciding and others do the dying. Also, only government makes war profitable. So your concern applies more to government.
So at its essence, I have total agency over my own mind by conscious choice, relegating self anointed governance (powers and principalities), as well as any institutions of cultural production including NGOs, irrelevant and ineffectual to my life, would that concur with what you are proposing? If not, what am I missing?
You personally are not responsible for all the world’s ills. We collective are responsible for them. This means we have the power to correct them. If we didn’t, then we wouldn’t be responsible.
Thanks Sotiris Rex, glad too that you like my 'interesting perspective' - I don't find many that agree with it or see it the way I do. A handful not many - but you certainly do regards Trump.
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt assuming you're giving me the benefit of the doubt. Do you know any economic history or at least the history of how insurance companies emerged? Free-market competition enforces contracts. You dishonour a contract and everyone (your customers, partners, suppliers, etc) will know. Let me ask you this: in under-the-table corrupt dealings involving corrupt government officials, who enforces those contracts? If anything, corrupt government proves how government is truly not needed for anything.
Thinking about how insurance companies would execute some of the important functions of the state (functions that it does execute but badly) is always fascinating to me. One aspect that was very new to me is recognizing virtue-signaling from mega-corporations as a market mechanism that would be very helpful in a truly free market.
Let me assist in your cause. Surety bonds are in place currently in NYS, and tied directly to article 13 section 1 oath of office. Interestingly enough as Livingston county sheriffs circumvent “their” laws I made a $500 million claim against indemnity of these thugs. A layered onion of rot, money laundering, and “I’m just doing my job” resulted in claim denied by Donna Maycomber senior analyst at Zurich of North America. Now I must source United States vs. Rahimi. This clown world is getting spicy, stay tuned ;-)
1. You admit that it’s “supposed to” in contrary to actually being in practice. So, you’re wrong from the start.
2. Your religiosity in the state is laughable and childish. Not an argument at all, especially from the people who insist that all humans are inherently evil.
3. There must always be the last resort of mob justice to make sure that the systems in place remain functional. This is what protests, sit-ins, strikes and revolts are. Your opinion is wrong.
Last thing: I have explained in detail how justice is served through incentive, not threat (authority). You still claim that “justice” requires arbitrary perceive authority without providing counterarguments to my arguments of the contrary. So you have either not read my essay or you don’t really understand English.
Protests =/= Mob justice. Mob justice is rioting. Mob justice is fear.
Last thing: What if I don't want the incentive? The whole fricking system breaks down if the criminal chooses to defy the system.
Bad men can run governments. Governments are human institutions and prone to corruption. America has survived 250 years and still going pretty strong. That's impressive.
I was referring to faith in the government. Humans are not inherently evil, but we MAKE CHOICES. we can choose to be evil or good. Many are evil, many are good. Governments and society need to protect against the actions of evil men.
Also, an opinion cannot be wrong. It's an opinion--by definition it is subjective.
Final thing: Read the some books worth reading, not all this conspiracy theory stuff. You get nowhere.
You obviously did not read the context in which I used mob justice in my essay. So you’re dishing out straw man after straw man. Plus you assume that the state is orderly and that justice is always served. You sound like an academic parasite suckling on the state’s teat worshiping government for providing him at the expense of others.
Hello and thank you for your kind words. I am happy this piece resonated with you, even though sometimes it feels like preaching to the choir when only the choir seems to want to get it. We have no choice but to keep speaking our message even if only against the wind.
Don’t know how I missed this one when you dropped it but great read as always! One of the most thought out theories I’ve read for stateless justice system.
Few people have read enough history to know thats how law enforcement started. Citizen were plenty efficient at taking care of it them selves.
Yes. What's worse is not the things they are unaware of, but the decades of propaganda they carry
Thank you. It’s important to note that vigilantism as a last retort/resort is extremely important. Government ends up protecting criminals more than law-abiding citizens
Impressive concept, it’s simply a risk management strategy where we eliminate the middleman (government) as insurer of last resort for a polity. My concern is a matter of independent aggregated military forces from outside an independent polity imposing their will by greater force, where it appears it’s just another example of Mafia rule.
Yes, understandable concern. However, this concern applies the same, if not more, to government as it is. Government does not protect you from foreign invaders. If anything, it provokes them, since others do the deciding and others do the dying. Also, only government makes war profitable. So your concern applies more to government.
So at its essence, I have total agency over my own mind by conscious choice, relegating self anointed governance (powers and principalities), as well as any institutions of cultural production including NGOs, irrelevant and ineffectual to my life, would that concur with what you are proposing? If not, what am I missing?
You personally are not responsible for all the world’s ills. We collective are responsible for them. This means we have the power to correct them. If we didn’t, then we wouldn’t be responsible.
So to paraphrase your take, we owe a duty to the collective for what the world is that starts once we take responsibility for ourselves individually.
We don't owe anything to anyone. We owe to ourselves.
Says the man living entirely off grid alone, kudos to your independence brother.
Hi Sotiris Rex,
This is a really great, thoughtful essay.
Thanks for that.
Ivan
I’m glad you liked it, Ivan. I’ll follow your work. You seem to maintain an interesting perspective.
Thanks Sotiris Rex, glad too that you like my 'interesting perspective' - I don't find many that agree with it or see it the way I do. A handful not many - but you certainly do regards Trump.
Ok, so how do you enforce your contract with your insurance company?
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt assuming you're giving me the benefit of the doubt. Do you know any economic history or at least the history of how insurance companies emerged? Free-market competition enforces contracts. You dishonour a contract and everyone (your customers, partners, suppliers, etc) will know. Let me ask you this: in under-the-table corrupt dealings involving corrupt government officials, who enforces those contracts? If anything, corrupt government proves how government is truly not needed for anything.
Thinking about how insurance companies would execute some of the important functions of the state (functions that it does execute but badly) is always fascinating to me. One aspect that was very new to me is recognizing virtue-signaling from mega-corporations as a market mechanism that would be very helpful in a truly free market.
This shows how self-interests works in a win-win. Problems arise when authority distorts the playing field between negotiating parties.
It really is interesting how self-interests align in so many issues if there is no outside coercive force involved.
Yes. Self-interest is key because incentive is more predictable than threat.
Let me assist in your cause. Surety bonds are in place currently in NYS, and tied directly to article 13 section 1 oath of office. Interestingly enough as Livingston county sheriffs circumvent “their” laws I made a $500 million claim against indemnity of these thugs. A layered onion of rot, money laundering, and “I’m just doing my job” resulted in claim denied by Donna Maycomber senior analyst at Zurich of North America. Now I must source United States vs. Rahimi. This clown world is getting spicy, stay tuned ;-)
A couple thingsthings.
1. America is supposed to have a decentralized self-governed government. "for the people, by the people".
2. I think you assume government cannot be good. It can. Have faith.
3. Mob Justice is a laughable idea. Trusting the mob is actually a joke. It has never worked and never will. Mobs get nothing done.
Last thing: The nature of Justice requires authority.
1. You admit that it’s “supposed to” in contrary to actually being in practice. So, you’re wrong from the start.
2. Your religiosity in the state is laughable and childish. Not an argument at all, especially from the people who insist that all humans are inherently evil.
3. There must always be the last resort of mob justice to make sure that the systems in place remain functional. This is what protests, sit-ins, strikes and revolts are. Your opinion is wrong.
Last thing: I have explained in detail how justice is served through incentive, not threat (authority). You still claim that “justice” requires arbitrary perceive authority without providing counterarguments to my arguments of the contrary. So you have either not read my essay or you don’t really understand English.
Protests =/= Mob justice. Mob justice is rioting. Mob justice is fear.
Last thing: What if I don't want the incentive? The whole fricking system breaks down if the criminal chooses to defy the system.
Bad men can run governments. Governments are human institutions and prone to corruption. America has survived 250 years and still going pretty strong. That's impressive.
I was referring to faith in the government. Humans are not inherently evil, but we MAKE CHOICES. we can choose to be evil or good. Many are evil, many are good. Governments and society need to protect against the actions of evil men.
Also, an opinion cannot be wrong. It's an opinion--by definition it is subjective.
Final thing: Read the some books worth reading, not all this conspiracy theory stuff. You get nowhere.
You obviously did not read the context in which I used mob justice in my essay. So you’re dishing out straw man after straw man. Plus you assume that the state is orderly and that justice is always served. You sound like an academic parasite suckling on the state’s teat worshiping government for providing him at the expense of others.
Hello and thank you for your kind words. I am happy this piece resonated with you, even though sometimes it feels like preaching to the choir when only the choir seems to want to get it. We have no choice but to keep speaking our message even if only against the wind.