I agree with your points about the parent and the delusion of heaven like conditions. The idea was probably promoted to satiate societies to endure injustice in expecting a reward for suffering. Reincarnation also pulls the same trick as we see with the caste system in India.
As for heaven, this is a great story that reminds me of your point.
I used to believe in intelligent design but like the big bang, it doesn't make sense. Big bang is a theory that has issues and things are being discovered that cast doubts on it. I have no idea how things came to existence, nor how life started. I'm ok with that like I'm ok with an end or consciousness continuing after death.
By watching nature shows, I discovered how nature is an amazing non linear system that grew and expanded with the benefit of a lot of time.
We have been brainwashed by the idea of genetics which is a pseudoscience that blinds us from other things that we may never understand. It's difficult enough to invent something, it's even harder to reverse engineer something that is
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
So, a purpose of life could be to "cheat" entropy, somehow. This reminds me of the cosmic theory put forth in "the devil's apocrypha", one of the most interesting books I have ever read. It's the devil's side of the story, with some very theoretical physics in the mix.
We did choose, though, to come here and have this experience.
We are Consciousness, and the intent of Consciousness is to explore all things, good, bad and indifferent.
We have hundreds, if not thousands of focuses, (lives) on this Earth, all different, in which we experience all aspects of the self. Some good, some horrible.
I know it seems like a cruel joke, especially for the thinkers among us.
Only the bravest and most courageous of Essence (Souls) undertake this sequence of experience to incarnate on this physical world.
It is NOT without purpose. God is not a thing or a person.
But I appreciate your exploration and sharing. We are all becoming more self-aware. This is the Shift, and things are changing drastically.
There might be a little more to it than that. And at the same time, a lot less.
Let's look at a big problem: the infamous Knowledge of Good and Evil where a deception is taking place. What is the deception?
Consider, if you will, that there are two kinds of knowledge:
1. Absolute (or direct) knowledge. The simplest example is knowing the color of the sky. You know it when you look at it, even though you do not know what to name or or how to explain what you see. Also called "Knowing-what." Absolute truth is absolute agreement with what is reality, or being.
2. Relative (or indirect or representational) knowledge. The simplest example is knowing how to refer to the color of the sky: "it's blue today." You know what to say even though it is not particularly descriptive or accurate about the actual absolute knowledge gained by looking at it. Relative truth is always expressed in statements, and it is never absolutely correct (except when defined with in a context that defines its own truth, like Logic; and then it is Logic, an invented language, that is only relatively true). Relative truth is partial agreement depending upon context.
Relative truth cannot express absolute truth in words, phrases, etc. And, absolute truth cannot be used to assess the relative truth of statements.
--
Now, about that tree and its fruit.
It is the tree that is the deception. The tree expresses only relative truth. Reality is absolutely true; and because reality is absolutely true, evil cannot be real. In other words, it is true that being allows the (false) illusion of good-and-evil, but good and evil has no truth or reality of its own. 'True' truly allows false, just like reality allows illusion. Being is absolutely good. Reality is absolutely good. Awareness is absolutely good. Reality is aware of its own being. You are reality itself, imagining the universe of possibilities. You have the power to indulge in this because you are the absolute reality of it all.
Definitions are important. Reality is like a theater wherein all else appears. Reality is exactly the same thing as being. These are absolutely good. They allow all that can ever be experienced at any time in any place. Reality is not subject to birth and death! It is exactly what it appears to be: it is being in and of itself.
Unreality is illusion. Unreality is "the image" that appears within reality-being. The universe of all unreality is everything can ever be experienced in any way. Unreal things are temporary and conditioned by the existence of other things; they are subject to birth and death while reality is unlimited and unconditioned. Reality is being, while experience is the unreality that reality allows and being knows.
In the story of the earthly garden of paradise, humans become entranced with the illusion of good and evil as a "real distinction." Reality contains unreality. Being/awareness contains illusion. Absolute good allows the illusion of the knowledge of good and evil, perhaps for entertainment purposes only. You are this reality at the deepest level of your being. How's the show? To return to the Earthy Paradise, you need only give up all illusions. It is quite difficult, but extremely easier than you might think. In fact, it is inevitable. The illusion would not necessarily go away, or at least not for long. You would see it for what it truly is. Simple, obvious, indescribable. You must have heard rumors of such things.
--
This perspective is not readily accepted, of course. I think the audience is vanishingly small but not zero, but maybe you will find something here of interest: What if?
Interesting comment. I'll follow your work to see what I can learn from you. Still, what if giving up the illusion divulges the one universal truth, that could well be absurd existential meaninglessness?
If you want to read the book, note carefully in the Introduction, the bit on "How To Read This Book." There is a lot going on with the language here -- definitions and all that -- and if you first skip around a lot or try to speed-read it, you might quickly get frustrated.
Thank you. I will give it a go. Not promising anything. I am consciously resistant to new ideas, not because I am comfortable in my own, but because I have earned to be extremely skeptical and suspicious. Not saying it’s a good thing. Thank you, nonetheless. We will talk again
This article hit my heart because I agree there is no benevolent creator watching all this shit and not caring, to put it mildly. I've been learning from some amazing Biblical scholars about the Elohim and they're plural meaning gods and aren't benevolent either. However, I've come to the point where I don't even care about the 'Bible'. I have a moral compass, have I always, no, but I have for many years now.
Thank you for sharing your heart. It resonates with mine and my soul.
Thank you for your comment. It’s true, religious texts offer zero answers. If anything, they cause more confusion with all their assertions that make no sense in the real observable universe. We don’t need the threat of gods to be moral. True morality cannot be based on threat of hell or the bribe of a hedonistic heaven.
Drawing heavily from German mystics, Berdyaev claims that everything started with the Divine Nothing, the Absolute. The Absolute cannot create because it is perfect, self-sufficient. Creation, on the other hand, is movement in God . Therefore, from the Divine Nothing (Master Eckhart's Gottheit, Jacob Boehme's Ungrund) the Trinity, God the Creator, is born. Freedom is also rooted in the Nothing, in the Ungrund, which is primal and without beginning. Also, God created the world out of nothing (SR 127; FS 194; BE 106). God and freedom are then two different entities. On the one hand, the difference between God the Creator and freedom is secondary - in the primal mystery, in the Divine Nothing, this difference is abolished since God reveals Himself from the Ungrund, and from the Ungrund also freedom reveals itself. On the other hand, freedom is independent of God. "God the Creator is all-powerful over being, over the created world, but He has no power over nonbeing, over the uncreated freedom which is impenetrable to Him" (DM 25; FS 160). In this way, God is not responsible for evil in the world because it is freedom that brings evil. Freedom consented to God's creative act; nonbeing freely consented to being.
Yes but that's like leaving a child alone in a room full of hazardous chemicals and machinery and then saying you're not responsible because "freedom". The child was not free to find itself there, and it definitely wasn't fully informed, which makes every decision unfree.
Is spirit at fault the Ungrund remains as freedom? Spirit in man exists is self evident. In choosing our spirit acts. I chose 50 years ago to drop out so this new dystopian wet dream in my view is a consequence of free choice not unfreedom. Sure a Covid mandate said jab or job loss. Freedom remained to walk away. Your money or your life, decide.
The Ungrund is the pregnant nothingness before existence. From nothing came freedom and spirit. Life is struggle due of course to freedom which is uncontrolled.
I agree with your points about the parent and the delusion of heaven like conditions. The idea was probably promoted to satiate societies to endure injustice in expecting a reward for suffering. Reincarnation also pulls the same trick as we see with the caste system in India.
As for heaven, this is a great story that reminds me of your point.
https://www.schnauzers-rule.com/man-dog-heaven.html
I used to believe in intelligent design but like the big bang, it doesn't make sense. Big bang is a theory that has issues and things are being discovered that cast doubts on it. I have no idea how things came to existence, nor how life started. I'm ok with that like I'm ok with an end or consciousness continuing after death.
By watching nature shows, I discovered how nature is an amazing non linear system that grew and expanded with the benefit of a lot of time.
We have been brainwashed by the idea of genetics which is a pseudoscience that blinds us from other things that we may never understand. It's difficult enough to invent something, it's even harder to reverse engineer something that is
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
― Epicurus
A great comment adding context to the original post. Thank you. What do you think is the purpose of life?
Not sure but this is the best idea so far that I've heard.
Entropy is the tendency of systems to become more disordered with heat being released that cannot fully be recovered.
However life takes matter and creates order by combining it.
If we look at the predator class, they might appear to be creating order but the amount of destruction and waste to do this makes them more entropic!
So, a purpose of life could be to "cheat" entropy, somehow. This reminds me of the cosmic theory put forth in "the devil's apocrypha", one of the most interesting books I have ever read. It's the devil's side of the story, with some very theoretical physics in the mix.
https://www.amazon.com/Devils-Apocrypha-There-sides-every/dp/059525070X
A great Koan in Zen Buddhism: “Who is the great master, the magician that makes the grass green
Nature 😊
We did choose, though, to come here and have this experience.
We are Consciousness, and the intent of Consciousness is to explore all things, good, bad and indifferent.
We have hundreds, if not thousands of focuses, (lives) on this Earth, all different, in which we experience all aspects of the self. Some good, some horrible.
I know it seems like a cruel joke, especially for the thinkers among us.
Only the bravest and most courageous of Essence (Souls) undertake this sequence of experience to incarnate on this physical world.
It is NOT without purpose. God is not a thing or a person.
But I appreciate your exploration and sharing. We are all becoming more self-aware. This is the Shift, and things are changing drastically.
Keep going...
Interesting. Please elaborate on God not being a thing or a person.
This is a translation but the best I got.
https://philipmollica.substack.com/p/deconstructing-physical-reality
My mind is processing the information Paetre shared. I am not a fan of channels anymore, but there were many interesting tidbits.
I'm not either, and this was not channeled per se'.
This is as I understand it.
Thanks for checking it out.
I like it because it's kind of like the unifying theory to me.
it's a story, but I can see it.
It was interesting. You say it wasn't channeled, then what was it?
There might be a little more to it than that. And at the same time, a lot less.
Let's look at a big problem: the infamous Knowledge of Good and Evil where a deception is taking place. What is the deception?
Consider, if you will, that there are two kinds of knowledge:
1. Absolute (or direct) knowledge. The simplest example is knowing the color of the sky. You know it when you look at it, even though you do not know what to name or or how to explain what you see. Also called "Knowing-what." Absolute truth is absolute agreement with what is reality, or being.
2. Relative (or indirect or representational) knowledge. The simplest example is knowing how to refer to the color of the sky: "it's blue today." You know what to say even though it is not particularly descriptive or accurate about the actual absolute knowledge gained by looking at it. Relative truth is always expressed in statements, and it is never absolutely correct (except when defined with in a context that defines its own truth, like Logic; and then it is Logic, an invented language, that is only relatively true). Relative truth is partial agreement depending upon context.
Relative truth cannot express absolute truth in words, phrases, etc. And, absolute truth cannot be used to assess the relative truth of statements.
--
Now, about that tree and its fruit.
It is the tree that is the deception. The tree expresses only relative truth. Reality is absolutely true; and because reality is absolutely true, evil cannot be real. In other words, it is true that being allows the (false) illusion of good-and-evil, but good and evil has no truth or reality of its own. 'True' truly allows false, just like reality allows illusion. Being is absolutely good. Reality is absolutely good. Awareness is absolutely good. Reality is aware of its own being. You are reality itself, imagining the universe of possibilities. You have the power to indulge in this because you are the absolute reality of it all.
Definitions are important. Reality is like a theater wherein all else appears. Reality is exactly the same thing as being. These are absolutely good. They allow all that can ever be experienced at any time in any place. Reality is not subject to birth and death! It is exactly what it appears to be: it is being in and of itself.
Unreality is illusion. Unreality is "the image" that appears within reality-being. The universe of all unreality is everything can ever be experienced in any way. Unreal things are temporary and conditioned by the existence of other things; they are subject to birth and death while reality is unlimited and unconditioned. Reality is being, while experience is the unreality that reality allows and being knows.
In the story of the earthly garden of paradise, humans become entranced with the illusion of good and evil as a "real distinction." Reality contains unreality. Being/awareness contains illusion. Absolute good allows the illusion of the knowledge of good and evil, perhaps for entertainment purposes only. You are this reality at the deepest level of your being. How's the show? To return to the Earthy Paradise, you need only give up all illusions. It is quite difficult, but extremely easier than you might think. In fact, it is inevitable. The illusion would not necessarily go away, or at least not for long. You would see it for what it truly is. Simple, obvious, indescribable. You must have heard rumors of such things.
--
This perspective is not readily accepted, of course. I think the audience is vanishingly small but not zero, but maybe you will find something here of interest: What if?
https://burnteliot.substack.com/p/being-dreams-forgetting-3
https://burnteliot.substack.com/p/the-flowering-of-a-wonderful-law
B.E.
Interesting comment. I'll follow your work to see what I can learn from you. Still, what if giving up the illusion divulges the one universal truth, that could well be absurd existential meaninglessness?
Thank you.
https://archive.org/details/BurntEliot Ch. 18 "Universal Truth and Universal Context"
If you want to read the book, note carefully in the Introduction, the bit on "How To Read This Book." There is a lot going on with the language here -- definitions and all that -- and if you first skip around a lot or try to speed-read it, you might quickly get frustrated.
Thank you. I will give it a go. Not promising anything. I am consciously resistant to new ideas, not because I am comfortable in my own, but because I have earned to be extremely skeptical and suspicious. Not saying it’s a good thing. Thank you, nonetheless. We will talk again
This article hit my heart because I agree there is no benevolent creator watching all this shit and not caring, to put it mildly. I've been learning from some amazing Biblical scholars about the Elohim and they're plural meaning gods and aren't benevolent either. However, I've come to the point where I don't even care about the 'Bible'. I have a moral compass, have I always, no, but I have for many years now.
Thank you for sharing your heart. It resonates with mine and my soul.
Thank you for your comment. It’s true, religious texts offer zero answers. If anything, they cause more confusion with all their assertions that make no sense in the real observable universe. We don’t need the threat of gods to be moral. True morality cannot be based on threat of hell or the bribe of a hedonistic heaven.
I agree with you. I feel we need to be responsible for ourselves, not look at some 'deity' to tell us what to think, or how to act.
Larken Rose wrote a book called The Most Dangerous Superstition. I think you'll like it.
https://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Rose-ebook/dp/B00UV41W2U/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2QCYI8IOTZUIL&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.mz7q_bARCeVjduFjGMP57VzwWwxz3QVwb45F6Hdx536wYZXzdBxu54AT1emrHogheOpw0W9ttU5uSWF1e1MlRJhnqlM3jyN5tFxj0eExV5PaDpg9hthbe5zCPV2oArLDwtm2MsMCBbB_gsvvJwGSMw.jmIEj7Un8rGR3AnvCwPAoitnjH5R3FINc0d4jU6Z-KE&dib_tag=se&keywords=the+most+dangerous+superstition&qid=1748794285&sprefix=The+most+dang%2Caps%2C185&sr=8-1
I’m so glad you liked Larken’s book. I have it, one of my favourites. I’m glad people are catching on to this
Drawing heavily from German mystics, Berdyaev claims that everything started with the Divine Nothing, the Absolute. The Absolute cannot create because it is perfect, self-sufficient. Creation, on the other hand, is movement in God . Therefore, from the Divine Nothing (Master Eckhart's Gottheit, Jacob Boehme's Ungrund) the Trinity, God the Creator, is born. Freedom is also rooted in the Nothing, in the Ungrund, which is primal and without beginning. Also, God created the world out of nothing (SR 127; FS 194; BE 106). God and freedom are then two different entities. On the one hand, the difference between God the Creator and freedom is secondary - in the primal mystery, in the Divine Nothing, this difference is abolished since God reveals Himself from the Ungrund, and from the Ungrund also freedom reveals itself. On the other hand, freedom is independent of God. "God the Creator is all-powerful over being, over the created world, but He has no power over nonbeing, over the uncreated freedom which is impenetrable to Him" (DM 25; FS 160). In this way, God is not responsible for evil in the world because it is freedom that brings evil. Freedom consented to God's creative act; nonbeing freely consented to being.
Yes but that's like leaving a child alone in a room full of hazardous chemicals and machinery and then saying you're not responsible because "freedom". The child was not free to find itself there, and it definitely wasn't fully informed, which makes every decision unfree.
Is spirit at fault the Ungrund remains as freedom? Spirit in man exists is self evident. In choosing our spirit acts. I chose 50 years ago to drop out so this new dystopian wet dream in my view is a consequence of free choice not unfreedom. Sure a Covid mandate said jab or job loss. Freedom remained to walk away. Your money or your life, decide.
Don't know what "Ungrund" is but yes, if it has the power to save man from suffering, it is as fault. Nobody freely chooses to suffer.
The Ungrund is the pregnant nothingness before existence. From nothing came freedom and spirit. Life is struggle due of course to freedom which is uncontrolled.
I understand but this is just a wild theory and doesn’t give me any actionable insight even if it weren’t. I’m sorry
All good.